Pógódnośenja za DeArrow - Better Titles and Thumbnails on YouTube
DeArrow - Better Titles and Thumbnails on YouTube wót Ajay (SponsorBlock)
Pógódnośenja wót Dishater
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wót Dishater, vuosi sittenLet's get this out of the way, this doesn't remove clickbait. There's too many channels posting garbage by the second for new titles to be submitted and the De-Arrow user count is a fraction of SponsorBlock's.
What this actually does is remove sensationalism from channels that people watch regularly. Sometimes to an asinine degree. (ha i know big word)
"The city with a hundred private cable cars" is a video from Tom Scott. A De-Arrow user changed this to "Wellington has over one hundred private cable cars". For some reason I guess "this city" was deemed too sensational or vague, so adding the city name and a slight rewording makes it less so?
Another Tom Scott example, "Things are changing at the world's oldest hotel" becomes "Modernization of a Japanese hotel that is technically the world's oldest operating business". Okay, an example of a title that's actually de-sensationalized by a user, but now it's longer than needed and over-descriptive. Many titles are like this, if the De-Arrow community made a restaurant menu, common delicacies would include "Not actually French potato fries" and "Ground beef patty sandwiches with vegetables, condiments, and cheese in soggy buns".
De-Arrow has a voting system where you can dislike or like submitted elements and submit your own, but the Tom Scott examples above are submitted and locked by VIPs.
What's a VIP? Well, someone with insider access who can submit titles/thumbnails and no amount of dislikes or voting can displace their locked submissions. Currently, there's no way to apply for VIP status, it's strictly for the coolest of dudes. I'd be fine with VIPs getting an voting boost based on their status, but not being able to vote on these titles is stupid. This isn't SponsorBlock, where a Sponsor segment can be objectively correct based on start/end time, someone may be able to summarize the info into something better, like "Modernization of the oldest operating hotel".
Filler tangent/jokes aside, I'd still recommend De-Arrow to display auto-generated or user-submitted thumbnails, I don't have much to complain about there other than thumbnails sometimes not loading when enabled. For title replacement, you can use the "channel allowlist" so selected channels use custom blocking settings, although some visual issues occur on YouTube when both whitelisting and blacklisting, keep that in mind.
What this actually does is remove sensationalism from channels that people watch regularly. Sometimes to an asinine degree. (ha i know big word)
"The city with a hundred private cable cars" is a video from Tom Scott. A De-Arrow user changed this to "Wellington has over one hundred private cable cars". For some reason I guess "this city" was deemed too sensational or vague, so adding the city name and a slight rewording makes it less so?
Another Tom Scott example, "Things are changing at the world's oldest hotel" becomes "Modernization of a Japanese hotel that is technically the world's oldest operating business". Okay, an example of a title that's actually de-sensationalized by a user, but now it's longer than needed and over-descriptive. Many titles are like this, if the De-Arrow community made a restaurant menu, common delicacies would include "Not actually French potato fries" and "Ground beef patty sandwiches with vegetables, condiments, and cheese in soggy buns".
De-Arrow has a voting system where you can dislike or like submitted elements and submit your own, but the Tom Scott examples above are submitted and locked by VIPs.
What's a VIP? Well, someone with insider access who can submit titles/thumbnails and no amount of dislikes or voting can displace their locked submissions. Currently, there's no way to apply for VIP status, it's strictly for the coolest of dudes. I'd be fine with VIPs getting an voting boost based on their status, but not being able to vote on these titles is stupid. This isn't SponsorBlock, where a Sponsor segment can be objectively correct based on start/end time, someone may be able to summarize the info into something better, like "Modernization of the oldest operating hotel".
Filler tangent/jokes aside, I'd still recommend De-Arrow to display auto-generated or user-submitted thumbnails, I don't have much to complain about there other than thumbnails sometimes not loading when enabled. For title replacement, you can use the "channel allowlist" so selected channels use custom blocking settings, although some visual issues occur on YouTube when both whitelisting and blacklisting, keep that in mind.
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jo se napisał vuosi sittenAs for the second part of your review about "VIP" locked titles, we have partially resolved this by having now allowing them to submit segments as normal users for when it seems better to leave it up to votes. We also have a channel that logs downvoted "VIP" locked titles to fix if there are issues.
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- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót Wužywaŕ Firefox 13137791, päivä sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót chewygum, 10 päivää sitten
- Z 3 z 5 pógódnośonywót Ritchie, 11 päivää sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót Glen, 16 päivää sitten
- Z 1 z 5 pógódnośonywót Wužywaŕ Firefox 19110817, kuukausi sittenA massively over-engineered solution compared to something like Clickbait Remover. Why does this require the Sponsorblock model instead of just giving you semi-random screenshots? Why all this complexity?
I don't think there's any reason other than the developer wishing to justify monetizing crowd-sourced software.
EDIT: response to developer - I would wager that the vast majority of this addon's users don't care about the title change feature (indeed, I quickly disabled it). I also don't see how Clickbait Remover predating Arrow excuses Arrow being over-engineered - if anything, that makes it worse (a simple solution was demonstrated, yet it was decided to build an incredibly convoluted alternative)Wótegrono wuwijarja
jo se napisał 17 päivää sittenClickbait remover is a great extension that was made before dearrow. If you prefer that simple approach, it's made for you
The crowdsourcing in dearrow is more about titles than thumbnails, which is something clickbait remover is not able to deal with.
Response to edit: I'm not sure I understand your point. If you don't think crowdsourcing is beneficial to you, you should use the other extension. The whole point of this extension is for the crowdsourcing, so most people using this extension are do have those enabled. - Z 2 z 5 pógódnośonywót random user, kuukausi sittenAwkward semi-paid scheme, especially for a crowdsourced project. That alone makes me not want to contribute since the dev might at an point decide to remove access.
The replaced thumbnails are very hit and miss. Replacing clickbait is one thing, but this extension just want to replace all of them indiscriminatingly, removing useful information. Quite a bit are literally just replaced with blank images or other junk...Wótegrono wuwijarja
jo se napisał 17 päivää sittenBy default, most thumbnails are replaced with random screenshots to try to let you get a sense of what the video is like. This can be changed in the settings to show the original thumbnails instead of you prefer them.
All the crowdsourced data is public and under a creative commons license (https://sponsor.ajay.app/database). The code is also fully open source under the GPL. The magic of open source is that anyone can continue the project or fork it to their own desire. - Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót Bryn, kuukausi sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót brockar, kuukausi sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót ta44, kuukausi sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót Wužywaŕ Firefox 19094068, kuukausi sittenA great addon that de-clickbaits youtube. Only downside is that after using it for some time, you realise that most of what reaches the front page is just slop. I happily paid for DeArrow as it has made the youtube experience much better for filtering good content out of the slop.
- Z 1 z 5 pógódnośonywót Wužywaŕ Firefox 19092967, kuukausi sittenAggressively asks for payment despite 99% of its value being derived from the community that contributes the titles/thumbnails __for free__. Imagine if Wikipedia tried to charge a monthly subscription...
Asking for donations is one thing, and you certainly deserve some money for the work you've done here, but there's a difference between politely asking for a donation and blocking somebody's path until they shove you out of the way - Z 1 z 5 pógódnośonywót Wužywaŕ Firefox 19001582, kaksi kuukautta sitten
- Z 4 z 5 pógódnośonywót Seumas, kaksi kuukautta sittenLike its sister extension (SponsorBlock), DeArrow changes the game when it comes to experiencing Youtube. If only were were a solution on mobile and elsewhere, too. Crowdsourced video titles means no more hyperbole, obnoxious formatting, and outright lying or baiting. And when you *do* run into those things, it feels good improving them so that others with the extension can benefit from a clearer and cleaner experience. I almost never pay or donate for extensions (though I have), but I immediately did so for DeArrow and SponsorBlock. I hope these extensions both grow in popularity, so even more videos are improved at a faster rate.
The only reason I knocked a star off of this review is that if I don't QUICKLY add the title when the input interface is open, it will always kill my entire browser (Zen Browser on Windows 11 usually). Everything -- all windows, tabs, etc -- the whole browser just hangs and the only way to get it working again is to kill the process and launch again. It happens so quickly that I have to type my title out in notepad, then copy it so that as soon as I open the input interface, I can immediately paste it in and hit the submit button.
However, if using it passively (not contributing -- just getting the benefit of better titles), it has no apparent negative impact. I would contribute more frequently if it were more stable, but it is otherwise terrific. - Z 3 z 5 pógódnośonywót walu, kaksi kuukautta sittenthe thumbnail replacement is great, i don't use the title replacement. unfortunately, whenever i click on the "open submission menu" pencil icon, firefox freezes entirely and i have to kill and restart it :(
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót kurimir, kaksi kuukautta sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót calzone, kaksi kuukautta sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót 5DaysN1ght, kaksi kuukautta sitten
- Z 3 z 5 pógódnośonywót Silent Spud, neljä kuukautta sittenWas pretty great until submissions just stopped working entirely for a long time. Here's hoping the dev can find a solution
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jo se napisał kolme kuukautta sittenSubmissions from new users have been restricted because someone is automatically creating many bots and sending malicious titles across youtube. We are working to slowly allow newer users to submit again - Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót klementine des pêches, neljä kuukautta sitten
- Z 1 z 5 pógódnośonywót SimoX9, neljä kuukautta sittenIt's paid, there is no option to use it free, the description is lying, best you get is 'free' 6 hours before it lockes you from using it..
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jo se napisał neljä kuukautta sittenClick "I can't/don't want to pay" at the bottom of the page - Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót Wužywaŕ Firefox 18177036, neljä kuukautta sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót rafafunt, neljä kuukautta sitten
- Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót Imprest, viisi kuukautta sitten
- Z 2 z 5 pógódnośonywót Wužywaŕ Firefox 15998822, viisi kuukautta sittenWeird plug in that doesn't really work until you figure out if the author wants to be paid or not. It's only $1 (I think), and offers the option of just either having a trial or using it for free, but neither of the last options worked.
I'm sure this is a great idea, but I couldn't get it to work to check if I liked it. Just make it paid for or not please, I don't want to have to faff about trying to get it to work. - Z 5 z 5 pógódnośonywót ramiel, viisi kuukautta sitten